tusrb41 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Those of you that have closed a IM #3 and workout with the Rolling Thunder. Was there a certain weight you could lift on the Rolling Thunder that will equate to a strong enough grip to close the #3? For example: Grip Guy number 1 lifted 225lbs on the RT, but could NOT close the #3. Grip Guy 2 lifted 240lbs on the RT, and was successful at closing the #3. Is there a correlation? Or are we talking 2 totally different grip strengths? Crushing strength vs. Open hand pinch type strength. Any input would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acorn Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Those of you that have closed a IM #3 and workout with the Rolling Thunder. Was there a certain weight you could lift on the Rolling Thunder that will equate to a strong enough grip to close the #3? For example: Grip Guy number 1 lifted 225lbs on the RT, but could NOT close the #3. Grip Guy 2 lifted 240lbs on the RT, and was successful at closing the #3. Is there a correlation? Or are we talking 2 totally different grip strengths? Crushing strength vs. Open hand pinch type strength. Any input would be great. No correlation at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Yeah, there's really no correlation. It's all over the place. Some guy who can only pull 190 might out-close a guy who can pull 240. Two totally different types of strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiMcMullen Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I can't say for the RT, but can anyone name someone who could lift the Inch or equivelant DB but who could not close a #3 at the same time? I wouldn't say there is 0 correlation, strength is strength, but it approaches 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoC#3 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 No correlation. Strongmen usually have the open hand strength even without doing any direct grip training, and may be able to pull 220+ RT straight away yet still fail on the last 1/4'' on the #3. The last portion of a gripper close isn't indirectly trained just by lifting in the gym, whereas open hand strength is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I can't say for the RT, but can anyone name someone who could lift the Inch or equivelant DB but who could not close a #3 at the same time? I wouldn't say there is 0 correlation, strength is strength, but it approaches 0. Tony Scrivens. Holy cow, you're the one that told me that... dope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tusrb41 Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 OK, I was leaning to the "No correlation" side, but wanted some professionals to confirm. Thanks for the info!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Walker Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I can't say for the RT, but can anyone name someone who could lift the Inch or equivelant DB but who could not close a #3 at the same time? I wouldn't say there is 0 correlation, strength is strength, but it approaches 0. I would say there are probably a lot more then you think. I remember some years ago John Wood talking about some basketball players at the University of Michigan picking up the inch easily (think TALL dudes with BIG hands) and I would be willing to bet none of them could close the #3. With some training...probably...but right out of the gate like lifting the inch, NO WAY. I know no one likes to talk hand size, but you have to admit, large hands lift the inch much easier then small. You cannot dispute that. All you have to do is think of "little" Rob Vigeant (those of us who know him). He had tiny hands, not sure of the size, but very small. In 2003 at BFGS, he closed the Beef Builder Elite, pinched 2-45s, lifted the blob, leaped from my bench and caught himself in the rafter pull-up, but yet he could not break the inch off the ground. His cousin "Monkey Paws" on the other hand, who had HUGE hands, closed the same gripper, out 2-hand pinched him by 12 pounds, lifted the blob, etc. and he could TOY with the inch. -Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubgeezer Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I can't say for the RT, but can anyone name someone who could lift the Inch or equivelant DB but who could not close a #3 at the same time? I wouldn't say there is 0 correlation, strength is strength, but it approaches 0. Tony Scrivens. Holy cow, you're the one that told me that... dope Odd Haugen can lift the Millennium Dumbbell and is not a Number 3 closer. I think that "last quarter inch" on grippers is something for which you have to specifically train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meelhama Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I'm very close to closing the #3, but I can only pull 150 or so on the RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiMcMullen Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I can't say for the RT, but can anyone name someone who could lift the Inch or equivelant DB but who could not close a #3 at the same time? I wouldn't say there is 0 correlation, strength is strength, but it approaches 0. Tony Scrivens. Holy cow, you're the one that told me that... dope I knew about Big Tony, but I disqualified him in my mind. His hands are SO big that they get in the way of a gripper close, even with a normal set. Thanks for the info gents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I can't say for the RT, but can anyone name someone who could lift the Inch or equivelant DB but who could not close a #3 at the same time? I wouldn't say there is 0 correlation, strength is strength, but it approaches 0. Tony Scrivens. Holy cow, you're the one that told me that... dope I knew about Big Tony, but I disqualified him in my mind. His hands are SO big that they get in the way of a gripper close, even with a normal set. Thanks for the info gents. Oh, and that Jamal from Sorinex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullitt Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I can't say for the RT, but can anyone name someone who could lift the Inch or equivelant DB but who could not close a #3 at the same time? I wouldn't say there is 0 correlation, strength is strength, but it approaches 0. Tony Scrivens. Holy cow, you're the one that told me that... dope I knew about Big Tony, but I disqualified him in my mind. His hands are SO big that they get in the way of a gripper close, even with a normal set. Thanks for the info gents. Oh, and that Jamal from Sorinex. Don't forget this guy. He could hook grip the RT. http://www.insidesocal.com/prepsports/julius.jpg And even though this was the perfect time to bring up the gorilla thread again, I refrained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 That's what I was thinking. Oh, and gee, the image tags finally work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifesnotfair Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Bullit, Dr. J has some massive hands indeed! http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/news/bct/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/00sixers.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CoC#3 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Rex, it would have to be a definite integral, because there is clearly a range in people's rolling thunder abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturalstrength Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) Sorry to come down on you like this Rex, but I think you are a few decimal points off. The actual equation is as follows: Edited October 9, 2009 by naturalstrength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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