toboku Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 it would be easy for me to train to hold a #3 at CC depth since thats as far as i can close mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdckr Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 I'm not sure I understand: What would be wrong with TNS'ing it and waving a CC in between the handles before closing it? If you pick up the gripper, hold the CC in between the handles until the witness says go, and then close it, aren't you meeting all the requirements of the certification rules? 4.The free hand may be used to position the gripper in the gripping hand, but the starting position can be no narrower than the width of a credit/ATM card, and the gripster must show the official that he has an acceptable starting position by using his non-gripping hand to slide the end of a credit/ATM card in between the ends of the handles. Once this is done, the official will give the signal to remove the card and begin the attempt. Any contact between the non-gripping hand and the gripper as the card is being removed will invalidate the attempt, and the non-gripping hand must stay at least a foot from the gripping hand at all times during the squeeze. Similarly nothing may be in contact with the gripping hand or the gripping arm from the elbow down (for example, the free hand is not allowed to steady the wrist of the gripping hand or hold the spring, etc.). The entire squeeze must be clearly visible to the official: the gripper cannot be closed while blocked from view and then turned and presented as already closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Dockery Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 I'm not sure I understand: What would be wrong with TNS'ing it and waving a CC in between the handles before closing it?If you pick up the gripper, hold the CC in between the handles until the witness says go, and then close it, aren't you meeting all the requirements of the certification rules? 4.The free hand may be used to position the gripper in the gripping hand, but the starting position can be no narrower than the width of a credit/ATM card, and the gripster must show the official that he has an acceptable starting position by using his non-gripping hand to slide the end of a credit/ATM card in between the ends of the handles. Once this is done, the official will give the signal to remove the card and begin the attempt. Any contact between the non-gripping hand and the gripper as the card is being removed will invalidate the attempt, and the non-gripping hand must stay at least a foot from the gripping hand at all times during the squeeze. Similarly nothing may be in contact with the gripping hand or the gripping arm from the elbow down (for example, the free hand is not allowed to steady the wrist of the gripping hand or hold the spring, etc.). The entire squeeze must be clearly visible to the official: the gripper cannot be closed while blocked from view and then turned and presented as already closed. ← This was precisely my question to Dr. Strossen, and his reply was that I could indeed no set the gripper as long as I waved a CC between the handles and then did not assist with the "non-gripping hand". It is entirely possible that others have not asked as detailed a question as I did, that Dr. Strossen misunderstood their question, or any number of other senarios depending upon how conspiracy minded/paranoid you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 If anything IM should make a tweener between the #2 and the #3. Its a big jump between them both. Call it the 2 and a half or something. ← I agree. I think if Ironmind made tweener grippers, even just a 1.5 and 2.5 they would sell big. Its tough to make those big jumps between say the #2 and #3. Its easy to see that many are ordering tweener grippers from other companies to progress so its pretty safe investment since theres already a market for it. I figure he would go that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stranger Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 If anything IM should make a tweener between the #2 and the #3. Its a big jump between them both. Call it the 2 and a half or something. ← I agree. I think if Ironmind made tweener grippers, even just a 1.5 and 2.5 they would sell big. Its tough to make those big jumps between say the #2 and #3. Its easy to see that many are ordering tweener grippers from other companies to progress so its pretty safe investment since theres already a market for it. I figure he would go that route. ← yea definatley and maybe a 3.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 This was precisely my question to Dr. Strossen, and his reply was that I could indeed no set the gripper as long as I waved a CC between the handles and then did not assist with the "non-gripping hand". It is entirely possible that others have not asked as detailed a question as I did, that Dr. Strossen misunderstood their question, or any number of other senarios depending upon how conspiracy minded/paranoid you are. ← All jokes aside, it sounds like a case of the rules changing....again I'm not conspiracy minded or paranoid, just mildly annoyed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showlarson Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 I think what Mr Strossen was going for was that a CC was involved, Ben could've TNS'd it, but he would have had to show that the TNS starting point was as wide, or wider than a CC set, otherwise someone could argue that Ben had a #3 with a freakishly narrow spread, and even though he TNS'd he did not satisfy the CC rule.That's the logical point of view, anyway. ← I agree, and it just looks like irregardless of what set is being used a credit card has to be inserted prior to the attempt to make it 'official'. The rules is the rules type of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve B. Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 If you want a #5 or maybe it's equivalent what about the Beef builder galaxy. I have one as a novel gripper the spring is huge. It probably would'nt be worth the cost to IM to develop a#5.As snott said most sales are from the easier grippers.I agree that it could be a possible tool useing negatives to help with closing the #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janne Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 If you want a #5 or maybe it's equivalent what about the Beef builder galaxy.I have one as a novel gripper the spring is huge. It probably would'nt be worth the cost to IM to develop a#5.As snott said most sales are from the easier grippers.I agree that it could be a possible tool useing negatives to help with closing the #4. ← How does the BB galaxy compare to the #4? I know that it supposedly takes about another 150 pounds of pressure to close according to the specs, but what does it feel like? The quoted figures in specs these days are all over the map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 If you want a #5 or maybe it's equivalent what about the Beef builder galaxy.I have one as a novel gripper the spring is huge. It probably would'nt be worth the cost to IM to develop a#5.As snott said most sales are from the easier grippers.I agree that it could be a possible tool useing negatives to help with closing the #4. ← How does the BB galaxy compare to the #4? I know that it supposedly takes about another 150 pounds of pressure to close according to the specs, but what does it feel like? The quoted figures in specs these days are all over the map. ← if your going by the numbers on the wwfitness site they are way off. for example a grand elite is rated at 325 but it is actually the same as a #4, 365lb. and the pro and world class are both harder than #4's. i don't know from experience with the galaxy but i read in an old thread that it was almost double a #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showlarson Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 How does the BB galaxy compare to the #4? I know that it supposedly takes about another 150 pounds of pressure to close according to the specs, but what does it feel like? The quoted figures in specs these days are all over the map. ← The BB pro is closest to the 4 in spring size anyway (4 has .312 while pro has .331) , I had one and couldn't do a thing with it, I mean hardly taking out the slack on the damn thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigT Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) Truthfully in terms of where the sport is now in terms of certing with IM...no we haven't seen a #4 under the new rules but with the great people in this sport that I"m proud to be apart of one day that will happen definitely, just don't know when Other than that I cant see Ironmind doing a #5 aint happening anytime soon Edited December 7, 2005 by BigT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffhans Posted December 7, 2005 Author Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) this post reminds me of a joe kinney post years ago when he had been the only person to close one. someone started a topic about it and man did it get alot of responses! leave it to the grippers to lead the way in "hot topic" posts aroung here! Edited December 7, 2005 by ruffhans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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